Vanilla Ninja [Archive] - Page 3 - Marya Roxx

lithuanian-fan-man

06-01-2010, 17:05

wow that's great news,wonder if it will be a bit like vanilla ninja or completely different

Lenna's album will sound like alternative pop | Folk rock and won't be similar to Vanilla Ninja music. Here is first single of her. It is recorded from Estonian radio station Skyplus
YouTube - Lenna Kuurmaa - Musta pori nÃ¤kku [NEW SINGLE 2009] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTTa0tFWTvE&feature=player_embedded)
Tõlla ees meil tormab neli tori täkku,
tagumiku alt meil läbi lendab maa.
Kabjad löövad meile musta pori näkku,
aga tee ei lõpe, otsa sõit ei saa.

Lendab maa, lendab maa, lendab maaaa...

Hobused on vahus, ragisevad rangid,
mustal taeval sähvib ekslev välgujoon.
Kihutame nagu põgenevad vangid,
kelle kandu limpsab verekoera koon.

Selle sõidu lõpust mõelda me ei taha.
Otse püsti ees on pimeduse sein.
Sellest sõidust ainult mälestus jääb maha
ja me surnud ema ette tuntud lein. x2

Lendab maa, lendab maa, lendab maa...

KOSTAS

06-01-2010, 17:31

thanks 4 the link! lenna has a great voice! hope to hear more from VN!

KOSTAS

06-01-2010, 17:31

DONT like the song though!

frankie

06-01-2010, 18:21

right kostas,lenna has a great voice but this song isn't so good,i wouldn't buy her new cd if the rest is like that too

lithuanian-fan-man

06-01-2010, 18:46

Well, whole album will be in Estonian and I guess style of other songs will be similar to this one.
As someone said, Vanilla Ninja is Vanilla Ninja and Lenna is Lenna :-D
Her new album will be produced/released only in Estonia.
Anyway, I have expected similar song because it's her style :-) Well, at least it's a good pop music :-D

KOSTAS

07-01-2010, 18:48

i think she sucks when she does smt alone! this song is totally a mess!
isnt familiar to vn songs!

bloodflowerz

07-01-2010, 21:40

Sorry to repeat myself, but I really think after Marya left, Vanilla Ninja were doomed...

KOSTAS

08-01-2010, 12:32

well i think u are right!

frankie

08-01-2010, 12:53

well i think vanilla ninja became better with each album and that means also they became better after marya left--but not necessary because marya left ;-)

Prokopis

08-01-2010, 13:29

i think she sucks when she does smt alone! this song is totally a mess!
isnt familiar to vn songs!

i completely agree!!!!:-)

lithuanian-fan-man

08-01-2010, 16:53

Sorry to repeat myself, but I really think after Marya left, Vanilla Ninja were doomed...

no, they became better and I really think so :roll: Maarja was a great singer in VN and after she left (also when triinu left) nothing much changed, because the Lenna, Katrin and Piret are those who really loved this group and the only ones who felt in the right place. That's why those 3 girls are the most important. If someone from those 3 would leave this group then it would be really bad. First album is popsy, second is more rocky and last album really is the best (in the way of sound, lyrics, instruments and performance). "Love Is War" is the best album in the matter of music and so on. I have read critical reviews and all agree that this is the best and the most mature VN album so far. Also they revealed their own unique style, which was hidden, because before Bros Music had put stamp that all girls must wear jeans and play with guitars.
VN are doomed because of her ex label. Now they would still record CD's if they haven't had trials and courts for almost 2 years. They still can't perform, release something in germany, austria, switzerland. I blame ONLY Bros music. Labels always take money and clame all rights to the bandname and so on. This sucks a lot. Maarja haven't lost her name because I guess it was not the best Brandes project and Vanilla Ninja was the only one really good band of him. Well now there is Shanadoo and somekind of angels from texas with guitars with VN xD

About Lenna. It's the matter of taste. Lenna'a target is estonia market. VN 1 st album was also popsy because they also targeted estonia. It's not shit. It's good but just not my kind of music. Anyway it's good music.

bloodflowerz

08-01-2010, 20:47

KOSTAS

08-01-2010, 20:57

well i believe tha VN is a great band!
i have all their albums and their music is just great!
their 1st album is popsy and i really like it!
the 2cd is great too! and as 4 their last one is even great too! the sound is better plus their vocals , style etc!

well as we all know Marya left the group 4 personal reasons! i think she did well.
i dont think that VN died when Marya left!;-)
VN is a strong band and i hope their new material will be more better and more rock than the other!
aslo Triinu left the group and i think she did well as Marya! cause her solo career and her music isnt bad at all! i like her songs and i try to talk about her in my friends etc.
but let me tell u that when Lenna is making smt solo i dont get really excited! except from the song Think Idly which is really good!;-)
i just want to see this band all together and not making solo things each one!
i love this band and its a band that when i hear her songs i feel so good!

frankie

08-01-2010, 21:32

vanilla ninja rocks !!!

KOSTAS

08-01-2010, 21:33

yep! they do!

Rebi

09-01-2010, 11:41

Anastasia

09-01-2010, 11:46

I havent a favourite Album because of every CD are Songs I like :

here are my Favourites :

Dont you Realize
Liar
Insane in Vain
Battlefield
Puzzel of Dreams

The First CD i dont know but i have check out some Songs of Youtube and I like them !!

I Wish Vanila Ninja the best but I think they will have a hard way to come back !

lithuanian-fan-man

09-01-2010, 14:01

I see where you're coming from, Lithuanian-Fan-Man - I just have a different opinion. I own all the albums you mention, but I really think the first is the best (not counting the early Estonia only album).

that's because you're big Marya Roxx fan :-p If you ask people who have musical education and would give all the albums of VN i'm sure he/she would say that last one is the best. Traces Of Sadness by (one critic gave only 5 stars for this one) and Blue Tattoo are not so personal albums and were written by Bros Music writters. Love Is War (average 8 stars from 10) is better in ALL aspects and when you say that VN are doomed after marya roxx left is really nonsence.

@KOSTAS: Yeah, i'm not excited about Lenna solo career but it's her own
decision. She is performing as solo artist for a long time and only now her album will be released. I think she already have about 50 songs, which she has sang or covered by other artists and it doesn't hurt to VN career. :-D Many groups have artists who make solo and this is completely normal :-)

frankie

09-01-2010, 15:01

well as long as it's just about what someone favors it's a matter of taste and tastes can be different,so for one the first album is the best for others it might be the last.

as for the musical progress i think you can see that from record to record the ninja's were more involved. on the first cd (and i'm not talking about the estonian one) none of the songs were written by ninja members,on the second album a few were co-written and on the third even more were written or co-written by the members. it's obvious that a musician gets better with the time and practise and so i would also say that the ninjas became better with the time.

nevertheless considering the technical side none of the ninjas is really a worldclass-musician,lenna's voice is simply the best from all the ninja vocals and probably the only real peak among their skills. unfortunately there isn't a cd out yet which was completely written by the ninjas themselves.

when it comes to marya her big plus is the songwriting skill,she's above the level of the other ninjas i would say and she has a great voice too,nevertheless it's not as beautiful as lenna's voice.

Deb

09-01-2010, 15:48

that's because you're big Marya Roxx fan :-p If you ask people who have musical education and would give all the albums of VN i'm sure he/she would say that last one is the best. Traces Of Sadness by (one critic gave only 5 stars for this one) and Blue Tattoo are not so personal albums and were written by Bros Music writters. Love Is War (average 8 stars from 10) is better in ALL aspects and when you say that VN are doomed after marya roxx left is really nonsence.

I don't agree Dan :-D It has nothing to do with the fact Bloodflowerz is a Marya Roxx fan imo... Many here are Marya fans but still agree with you... It's just more Bloodflowerz own person opinion, of which he stated at least twice :-D

Sorry to repeat myself, but I really think after Marya left, Vanilla Ninja were doomed...

here :-p

I see where you're coming from, Lithuanian-Fan-Man - I just have a different opinion. I own all the albums you mention, but I really think the first is the best (not counting the early Estonia only album).

and here :-p and to say what he says is nonsense isn't fair either as this he also stated as his opinion :-)

I personally think being part of VN for Marya is a huge hinderance to her solo career in the heavy genres... She has to work REALLY hard to be recognised as anything but an ex girl band member... I could go one but I wont...

it could be said all of your opinions are because you are a VN fan, but that would be nonsense to :-D

I also think Marya has is doing / has done better than any of the other Ninjas... of course this is just my opinion :-D

bloodflowerz

09-01-2010, 20:51

Thanks for putting my words into perspective, Deb! That's exactly what I intended to say. :-)

lithuanian-fan-man

10-01-2010, 12:06

Thanks for putting my words into perspective, Deb! That's exactly what I intended to say. :-)

the only thing which I really didn't liked is that you said that without MR VN is doomed :-D And this phrase lead me deeper into this discussion

I also think Marya has is doing / has done better than any of the other Ninjas... of course this is just my opinion
She is good and that just shows that some shitty (sorry xD) labels as Bros Music doesn't show true face of a singer/band because Could You or Shine It On is just pop rock :-)
Well I think VN done more then Marya Roxx but that's also only my opinion :-D

Deb

10-01-2010, 13:17

I also think Marya has is doing / has done better than any of the other Ninjas... of course this is just my opinion :-D

She is good and that just shows that some shitty (sorry xD) labels as Bros Music doesn't show true face of a singer/band because Could You or Shine It On is just pop rock :-)
Well I think VN done more then Marya Roxx but that's also only my opinion :-D

But I didn't say than VN I said 'Marya has is doing / has done better than any of the other Ninjas... ' ;-) So I still stand by that... As far as I'm aware none of them have done any real touring? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall hearing that anywhere. Marya had some success with Could you and shine it on, plus more recently has palyed shows in LA and Las vegas including The House Of Blues, Key Club and Musexpo. All 3 are pretty high profile.. She had a very successful European tour with Lafee and played at 4 festivals last yr in the UK :-D as well as a UK Tour at the end of the yr :cool: And she has already started this yr off well with a show in New Jersey last night with I'm sure many more great things to come this yr :-D

If I'm wrong and one of the other Ninjas has had this kind of success please correct me Dan :-p

Barshy

10-01-2010, 13:51

Well Deb, I think you're right! :-) Marya has been doing much better job past few years - she recorded new album and has had few very successful tours and performances + she is working on new songs atm :-p and Ninjas? they have been doing almost nothing in past few years :roll: they recorded only 1 new song + they give only few tours around Estonia and that's a pity :-( Well, at first they had had some problems with name, but they solved it so they could perform somewhere else, but they didn't!

Also, I like that Marya cares of her fans so much. She even communicate with us on this forum. :-p But it looks like Ninjas don't care about their fans so much anymore... :roll:

frankie

10-01-2010, 13:51

well none of the single vanilla ninja members had more success than marya but that's because vanilla ninja is a band and so far only triinu had a solo career after she left the band. she didn't went on tour,just brought out a few videos and singles and one cd (one single reached #85).

lenna's approch to do something solo just started so we have to wait how much success she has with her solo-cd.

but as for the band vanilla ninja of course they had much more success than marya roxx and VN also went on tour,it just happened in the past, a few years ago-unfortunately.

Jas

10-01-2010, 13:57

Have to say that I agree with what Deb said, yeah VN is not touring, no new songs, no nothing...except that solo project of Lena, but im not impressed, and songs are on Estonian....and yea as Barshy said, Marya is in contact with fans and cares for them but I cant say that for VN...anyway Marya was really a huge part of VN, and that first album is the best one (also not talking about the estonian one) and after it VN is more like pop than rock band,what i wanna say is that sound got more "softer" lol....I just wish they would record something new,dunno why they need that long break but nvm...

Deb

10-01-2010, 14:03

:-D

Deb

10-01-2010, 14:13

but as for the band vanilla ninja of course they had much more success than marya roxx and VN also went on tour,it just happened in the past, a few years ago-unfortunately.

I guess this also depends how you measure success :-) For me Marya still wins as she has had tours and such in more influencial countries such as the UK and USA. I'd say her name is far more known in these countries than VN''s is... Plus I think the audience Marya is reching is more successful than the one VN did when they were successful (waiting for someone to shoot me for that comment lol)

frankie

10-01-2010, 14:16

well if you just talk about the year 2009 then of course marya was more successful than VN,i thought you meant overall.

as for private contact or meeting fans,what marya did after her shows is really FANtastic :-D

she's down to earth and easy to talk to.

as for the ninjas,well i had the luck to meet them several times in person and they were nice too and some of my friends even were in estonia and met the ninjas there face to face (eventhough i'm not sure if that was backstage after a show or somewhere privately). but i must admit it's harder to get a hold of the ninjas than it is with marya but here the reason is probably because vanilla ninja are bigger stars and more successful (back at these times) and it's always like that,the more success someone has the harder it is to get in personal contact with that star.

Deb

10-01-2010, 14:38

I wasn't just talking about 2009 :-) I did mean overall... for me being from the UK I really don't see the Ninjas as successful. Yes they were a big teeny band, In Estonia and some other countries (that to be fair as far as the music world goes doesn't really mean much)..

I saw everyone of Marya's Euro shows last yr and some USA ones.. Apart from bloodflowerz and two fans from UK at the same venue, none were there as VN fans... At the Lafee shows this was a different matter. Lots were there as VN fans :-D Same in USA none of fans there were VN fans. In fact if I'm not mistaken only VN / Marya fan I know is Willis... I'm pretty sure we have no UK fans here that are VN fans.. But only those that know of marya threw the Meat connection or her recent solo stuff... The point I'm trying to get across here is VN's success wasn't really a success as far as I see but a teeny phase that lots of people have with the right manufacturing and money behind it. Both of which Marya hasn't had in her Marya roxx solo career. it has all been down to hard work and talent imo :-D To me this is far more successful :-)

frankie

10-01-2010, 14:42

hey deb,
the good thing about success is that it can be measured by sales,ticketwise as much as record-sales :-)

all of the VN albums were # 1 in their homecountry (even the first one that was just released in estonia,who else can claim that as for his own country? i don't know any other band in the world who can)!!!

in germany the albums reached #3,#4 and #16 which is quite a success and also in other countries they reached the top ten.

all singles reached the top 100 in germany (in estonia some were even #1)

vanilla ninja had a headliner tour in germany were they attracted far more people than marya did. i remember after the show in castrop rauxel there were more fans waiting for the ninjas than i saw fans waiting for bands like KISS,bon jovi or mötley crüe after their shows. the crowd was so large that the ninjas couldn't get through,lenna even got hurt and they had to go back into the hall and escape another way.

they were headliners at festivals with thousands of people.

VN has been in many tv shows that got watched by millions of viewers and reached #8 at the grand prix d'eurovision 2005 which was seen by hundreds of millions of spectators worldwide.

germany by the way is a bigger salesmarket for records than england is and the ninjas have played in more countries than marya played so far.

you know i love marya but i must say she's far away from that-unfortunately.

what i didn't understand is "marya is reaching a more successful audience" what does that mean? never heard of someone who talks about the success of the audience???

bloodflowerz

10-01-2010, 14:44

Very well put Deb. Exactly my thoughts. Anyone doubting this just needs to watch the VN video - you can clearly see there that Marya is the real talent. This is what is showing now that she's solo and really developing into an awesome artist!

Deb

10-01-2010, 14:57

Your terms of success aren't mine frankie :-) Just as many peoples terms of sucess in other things aren't the same as mine and yours in other things :-)

for example I feel I am more successful than someone who has a wonderful job, looks, age on their side, earns loads of money, drives a nice car, wears designer clothes.. the list is endless... where as I don't of the above but feel more successful as I have real friends, a family to be very proud of and am not in anyway shape or form materialistic, plus a zillion other things to numerous to mention :-p.. Money isn't everything as you well know :-D

By reaching a far more successful audience I mean in terms of the genre of fans... You, bloodflowerz, Willis and a few others aside the rest were kids.. I know some of these are still fans as they've grown but for the most part the audience is kids.. For some they may see that as succesful but for me I don;t see this in the big scheme of things in wanting to be a worldwide Rock / Metal star :devillaugh:

Many artists have had a degree of success, that doesn't mean they are seen as sucessful in everyones eyes ;-) The Barbie girl song springs to mind lol

frankie

10-01-2010, 15:23

well i understood your explanation as for being privately successful and see it the same way deb,but when we or others talk about success in the musicbiz it's actually the sales.

some artists are considered worldclass musicians and they aren't successful saleswise,nevertheless they have a great image and a good status. and there are megasellers but music-technicalwise they totally suck.

well maybe the reason why you see it that way deb is because you,like the other british marya roxx fans,aren't a vanilla ninja fan and therefore don't know much about this band.

teenieband or not,success is success. we 're not talking about taste here. robbie williams is a megastar here in europe,in the usa they aren't really interested in him nevertheless he's successful.

if you just consider success in your homecountry than vanilla ninja definitely beats marya (estonia) and if you consider success worldwide then again vanilla ninja beats marya without a doubt.

just consider VN sold one of their albums 30.000 times in estonia,if you know that there are only 1,342 million people in that country it means more then 2% of the population bought that album. here in germany you would have to sell about 2 million albums to have the same success but who sells 2 million albums in germany? that probably happens only once in 10 years. just by chance last night i saw a part of a tv show that my dad watched, a german schlagersinger got an award for the best selling album of the last decade,it was the best of album of andrea berg and it sold 2 million copies - but within the last 10 years!!! so with 2 million sold records you would be king or queen here in the german charts,not even madonna or robbie wiliams or ac/dc sold that much.

so for one time (even if that was in the past) vanilla ninja was the most successful music artist of their homecountry,they are what ac/dc is for australia or the scorpions for germany or robbie wiliams for england (and by the way also these artists sometimes have breaks,remember there were 8 years between the last ac/dc album and the one before,years without a single show,etc. but can you say they aren't successful just because there wasn't anything new for a few years?)

and i'm not sure about this one but i think that vanilla ninja album is still until today the best selling album inside estonia ever,so once again marya is so far away from that like we are from pluto :-)

Deb

10-01-2010, 15:41

We're worlds apart of the meaning of successful here frankie. All of your statistics and facts i agree with 100% if thats how people define success than yes VN is more so.. But to be honest I'm pretty sure the record industry wouldn't count being so successful in Estonia as a huge pus lol.

bloodflowerz

10-01-2010, 15:46

Going slightly off-topic due to your mention of AC/DC: they just sold out tickets for a concert at the second-largest stadium in Switzerland - in 12 Minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock: This venue has 31.783 seats and at least as many more standing!!!!! I'm guessing this will be the new sales speed record of any artist in Switzerland...

Deb

10-01-2010, 15:49

Before xmas the UK had this HUGE campaign to 'not let an x factor artist get to number one' X factor is successful, x factor has made loads of money, x factor isn't thought that wonderful among everyone though. It;s manufactured and It's crap imo... And apparently is among many more as well lol. As the campaign managed to get some other artists to number one. Which wouldn't have happened otherwise. For me X factor isn't success just a product.. As are many other bands etc.. Doesn't mean everyone sees them as sucessful though :-D

frankie

10-01-2010, 16:31

well once again,if you see success as a private thing then anything can be successful,deb could say she successfully raised 6 kids-welldone!!!

someone might think he's successful if he leaves society and lives alone on a desert island without any modern-time technology,even without money,so that guy would be successful without even a single penny,actually because he don't need money at all.

i was a drummer for many,many years. i never recorded an album,never made much money with it but i think in a certain way i'm successful cause i reached my aim-i created my own style and i'm proud of it :-)

a musician can be successful just by making someone happy-a streetmusician therefore without making any money at all can be a successful musician cause he can make people happy,therefore marya but also any other musician in the world (including vanilla ninja too) can be seen successful by some people.

so if you deb or any other say for you marya roxx is more successful than vanilla ninja in a certain way that would be true. actually as much as for others vanilla ninja would be more successful than marya. from their perspective they are all right.

but if you use success as for personal favor,which in another word is nothing but taste then it's obvious that everything can be successful. then everybody is right with his/her opinion cause simply everything can be considered successful,it just depends on the personal view and then we don't need to argue :-)

Deb

10-01-2010, 16:50

I don't remember the context of the start of this successful crap :-p But I'm pretty sure it wasn't pigeon holed to being just about record sales and chart positions :-D

well once again,if you see success as a private thing then anything can be successful,deb could say she successfully raised 6 kids-welldone!!!

And I stand by my understanding of succesful.. yes I am far more successful in my life than the likes of those I spoke about in an early posts :-P

Is someone with a great career and lots of money, flash car blah blah more successful than me if they also have children and drop them off at a childminder each day for someone else to raise? while I've been there every step of the way for mine but don't have the career, flash car or money? I know where my vote goes lol

frankie

10-01-2010, 17:06

I don't remember the context of the start of this successful crap

now this crap is already successful :-D

it's just about the way you see it ;-)

Deb

10-01-2010, 17:09

It's about the way 'we' see it :-p

Deb

10-01-2010, 17:13

btw I edieted my post a few up lol, just so we're up to date :devillaugh:

frankie

10-01-2010, 17:19

my vote goes to you deb ;-)

lithuanian-fan-man

10-01-2010, 17:24

I agree with frankie 100% about this - http://forum.maryaroxx.com/showpost.php?p=45690&postcount=539 xD While i was writing about 6 more posts came, lol...
So...not only willie is vn / marya roxx fan.
Here is at least 10 of them xD frankie / me / willie / cool vibes and other who aren't so much active or don't know them.
VN did a lot of concerts and was touring a lot. Also I would never describe VN as a teen band. Maybe they had some such songs at the beginning which attracted a bit younger audience. When I was 10 years old i was listening to teen bands... Average fans age of VN in Germany was 25 for a interest.. Tokio Hotel fans age is about 15. I hate when they're called teen band :-D For example there was vnboard.de forum with 10 000 users!! This is also a sucess. Admins were 20 - 40 years old.
And they had a success by selling lots of albums, atracting various age of people and having big crowds in their concerts. Also VN really take care of fans. They had fan meeting, they had been with us after rehearsal for 30 min, talking with us. Katrin said compliment to Tom that he has nice hat. Isn't that communication? Maybe they were more busy and to arrange so that all 3 members can come is really harder. In reality they're soooo nice and talkable and those who were in russia and meet them said that katrin is like a chatterbox xD
And VN had a LOT of concerts in 2004 - 2006. They won Best performance award in Chile in Vina del mar festival (2008). They aren't active now but only because they are waiting for better times. Germany, Austria and Switzerland was their target and now they can't perform there because Bros Music owns rights there for VN. So I really have belief that they will be back. Maybe they will go again to court or will try to conquer other markets but it's hard to imagine because Europe biggest music markets is GB and Germany. GB many many other singerz and groups so it's harder to break through there xD Also I guess they have different taste and labels and VN isn't much known there.
Now if you ask anyone from Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, switzerland, germany or Austria they will know who is VN and only a few will know who is Marya Roxx :-D They also reached top #50 in Japan. Music market is not only USA and UK.
VN never released/performed in UK or USA so they're not known there much.
If VN is such a teeny band then why half of their fans also like MR? Marya Roxx music is harder but I can't find big difference when talking about not sound but lyrics.
And VN girls seperated are not so succesful because they're a group. Marya Roxx has a group but still pretends to be a solo singer which is a bit rare in rock music genre and more popular in pop rock scene (Bon Jovi).
The girls reached other stuff as normal people in normal lifes. Piret was MTV baltic host, Katrin was a model now she is in politics and cares of culture,and Lenna sings in musicals, acts in films/serials and sings various stuff like folk songs. That's also a success to do in your life what you want and like. Also Jas said that VN are becoming softer. Sorry but my opinion is different. They're becoming harder and in one interview they said that with every album they're becoming more like a rock band. Traces Of Sadness album where marya sang was only about love love and again love and it was more "commercial" because ALL songs were written by label. The last has most of songs written by band members and songs have different topics not only love. They were singing about band problems with ex label and fight for their music. Then ironic song about rockstar life. About how people dreams sometimes collapse apart. About "black" days when you don't want to live and don't see the light. Last album have popsy songs as well as heart breaking powee ballads and rock.
Sorry for mistakes xD Stop this discussion or i won't pass economy exam tomorrow and will continue writting essays here. I would have said everything more clearly if I wasn't tired:-D

Deb

10-01-2010, 17:33

I agree with frankie 100% about this - http://forum.maryaroxx.com/showpost.php?p=45690&postcount=539 xD

So...not only willie is vn / marya roxx fan.
Here is at least 10 of them xD frankie / me / willie / cool vibes and other who aren't so much active or don't know them.

I said 'WILLIS IS THE ONLY USA FAN I KNOW OF' not that he was the ONLY Marya / VN fan :-p

Deb

10-01-2010, 17:35

lithuanian-fan-man

10-01-2010, 17:47

I have to go out now Dan so haven;t had chance to read through your post properly, but there is loads there i have an opinion on lol. You say you 100% agree with frankie, yet some of the other stuff you say there isn't same as what frankie said lol.. so I will be back with my thoughts asap :-D
ok. Maybe i agree 90%. Don't be so accurate xD
But what he said is smart and i agree with what he said in that post. We both know VN so we know better who they are as you know marya roxx. I know a lot about her but still you know more :-D If VN is a teen band then we with frankie who could be my father are teens and young in our hearts xD :-D

Deb

10-01-2010, 17:52

lithuanian-fan-man

10-01-2010, 17:59

I have to be accurate when you keep quoting me and others wrongly lol....

somewhere back there I did say apart from the likes of a few older fans such as bloodflowerz, willis and frankie :-p so I stand by the fact they 'were' a teen band.. Dan surely you yourself were a 'teen' band back then no? as were all the other fans here apart from the 3 I stated i think ;-)

more later :-D

Ok I will wait for more. Anyway, I think i made a lot of mistakes in my post so don't judge me too much. I haven't talked much in english for a long time xD My thoughts got mixed up and now when i read it I understand that is just one big boring post xD

Deb

10-01-2010, 18:06

They aren't active now but only because they are waiting for better times. Germany, Austria and Switzerland was their target and now they can't perform there because Bros Music owns rights there for VN. So I really have belief that they will be back. Maybe they will go again to court or will try to conquer other markets but it's hard to imagine because Europe biggest music markets is GB and Germany. GB many many other singerz and groups so it's harder to break through there xD

my point exactly... It's the UK and USA that matter more in the industry.. People in these two countires have very little idea of what goes on in the countries you speak of music wise.. let alone care unfortunately... apart froma few one hit wonders like the barbie girl song :-D

Now if you ask anyone from Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, switzerland, germany or Austria they will know who is VN and only a few will know who is Marya Roxx :-D

Actually I have more German fans than most people in the UK as i have tons of meat freidns who are German and also tons of Bon jovi friends who are german. And not one single one of them has said VN is anything more than an teeny girl band.. And the majority of them also knew who Marya was ;-)

If VN is such a teeny band then why half of their fans also like MR?

I disagree on this figure lol. If you say VN has 10,000 fans for example then there is no way half of them here :-p Even in realistic terms I've seen as many VN fans post here or else where saying they don't like Marya now.. Especially on youtube..

And VN girls seperated are not so succesful because they're a group. Marya Roxx has a group but still pretends to be a solo singer which is a bit rare in rock music genre and more popular in pop rock scene (Bon Jovi).

wtf lol... Sorry but this makes no sense to me for many reasons lol. And contradicts so many other statements :-p Firstly this whole debate started cause of a VN members new solo stuff lol. Marya doesn't pretend to be a solo singer she is a solo singer. She has a band of course, how else do you expect her to play live with a backing track? All solo artists have a band Dan lol. Bon Jovi are an exception imo.. as are a few other bands like GNR, Rolling Stones..

Anji

10-01-2010, 18:15

i think the only fair way to judge this sort of thing is from when Marya left the band, it's simply unfair otherwise.

You can say all you want that us UK fans don't know anything about VN but as you've already said it's because they only released stuff and toured in a few countries.

Yes, Germany is a big market for sales but not as influential worlwide as the UK and USA, so doesn't it seem strange that this massively sucessful band didnt attempt to enter the charts of two of the biggest and most influential music industries?? It's not our fault that we never heard of of VN before, it's their fault and their promoters.

Lack of recognition worldwide in my humble opinion means you are not as successful as your sales in a few countries might suggest.
Marya hasn't released her album for chart recognition yet so it's unfair to compare that, however we can look at internationally recognized festivals, awards, reviews etc (i dont mean internationally recognised in terms of fans, i mean the industry) and in this area Marya has done very very well.

I agree with Deb about the successful audience thing. Marya has just done a whole tour in die hard rock venues, where the audience are dedicated hard rock fans and therefore very critical and skeptical of new bands, especially one with a female lead singer. But on all occasions she recieved a great response from them once she had been heard, this in my opinion made a successful tour (i suspect it does to Deb too) and therefore the next time her poster is put up at these venues she will be recieved even better!

I think listening to VN's music, i can clearly see why they have not attempted to enter the UK or US. But for me personally it sounds like a girl group trying to be a rock band but not very well ( just my opinion)

BTW i have friends at my studio who are from poland and lithuania, only moved here last year. One of them has heard of VN and she doesn't like them or knows anyone that does. The other person has never heard of them.

Deb

10-01-2010, 18:18

well said Anji :thumbsup:

lithuanian-fan-man

10-01-2010, 18:27

Well, not all fans are writting in YouTube or here. Comments in YouTube are often stupid and so on and I rarely write comments so it's not reliable source xD Most of people just share music illegally so it's hard to say how many VN fans know Marya Roxx and how many are know VN or MR fans. I gave Marya Roxx album to one metal/hard rock lover and he didn't liked her vocals and said it's a crap as well as VN but he knew them :-D And can you tell me if Marya Roxx was in UK or USA charts. In any? Rock/metal charts? Germany is #2 music industry in EU and what is popular there is mostly populary in other EU counries.
If talking about Bon Jovi. VN musical style in Love Is War is compared to Bon Jovi pop rock sound :-D Of course many from german knew who marya roxx was because she charted with Could You and Shine It On. But if you ask ordinary people on the street you would hardly find 1 from 100 who knows her new stage name Marya Roxx xD
BTW, this topic started when bloodyflowerz said that VN without MR is doomed :-D
Sorry, i just can't say something really smart today and you Deb always make me confused because I feel like talking about something and you quote those sentences which are not so important to me and discussion leads to other things again and again. Of course i don't blame you. MAYBE I should say more clearly :D You still don't say your opinion and answer to what i said (what you think about if VN is a teen band and what you think about facts which i gave about VN and tokio hotel average fan age) xD. Heck, I still love you, haha :-D
I have numbers in front of my yes and such words as macro/micro economy, budget, markets, demand, supply an so on and I guess i will try to end discussion because we will never find the truth and both can discuss till death (and continue this when we will be in heaven or hell) :-D

Anyway, I'm happy that this topic is sooo popular :-D

Deb

10-01-2010, 18:37

lithuanian-fan-man

10-01-2010, 18:49

Oh dear god Dan I can't keep up :-p

Not sure what you mean about what I haven't answered.. I still think VN was a teen band.. NOTHING wil change my mind on that so you are just gonna have to live with it :-p I also think Tokio Hotel are percieved as the same.. I don't know enough facts about them to know for sure though.. Have I missed something?

no, nothing. I'm in really stange mood today :-D I can't keep up too and I need to eat and to drink something or my hands will fall off, lol :D at least you said that VN WAS a teen band. Hurray!! :-D Yeah, it's a terrible thing that I will have to live with Deb who consider VN being teeny but I WILL SURVIVE :devillaugh: I'm happy that you at least said that you can't know for sure :-D
PEACE xD

Deb

10-01-2010, 18:53

wtf lolololol...

Dan go eat then reread this post please lolololololol

lithuanian-fan-man

10-01-2010, 18:56

wtf lolololol...

Dan go eat then reread this post please lolololololol

Haha, at least i made you laugh :-D That's why i love forums. You can speak nonsence here and no one will blame you and can still be normal in real life xD

frankie

10-01-2010, 19:34

some like marya better than VN,others VN better than marya,again others like them both the same and---are there any who don't like any of both? not here,haha and that's good :-)

i like this discussion here,in the end it won't change anybody's opinion i think but who cares? we are here to talk and exchange our views,right?

just some more of my opinions:

-vanilla ninja is a rockband that got sold/built up as a teenband,the manager behind them wanted to make money with them (and he did) and as teenband he expected to get more money. the girls themselves,specially piret and lenna,are hardrockers privately. i once met them at a cd-store all alone and they were in the hardrock/heavy metal section and each had about 10-20 cds in their hands,they also told me it's their favorite music and they would like to make harder music with vanilla ninja and they told me they love KISS and mötley crüe cause they wore shirts of these bands on one cd-cover and KISs and mötley crüe are also my 2 fav hardrockbands so i was really pleased to hear that :-)

-it's obvious as hardrockers who want to go harder that the more influence they got on their albums the harder they got and i must agree with dan that they slightly got heavier with each album as for the songwriting. the sound and mix on the first cd with marya was maybe tougher and rough but the songs themselves were poppier.

-usa and UK are the most important markets for musicstars,nevertheless more music gets sold in germany than in the UK,so anji you are right here!!!

-i'm personally a hardrockfan and musician and most of my music friends are also into hardrock and metal,nevertheless i was surprised that many of them like or even love vanilla ninja,guess why? cause VN are rockers!!!

-the reason why VN was mainly popular in germany,austria and switzerland is because their record-company and managers come from there and promoted them there. only the real superstars are famous all over the world (maybe with a few exceptions) but it's often like that,that you are mainly famous there were you get promoted. valou could probably confirm that specially the french people listen mainly to their own artists,at least much more than in other european countries cause there's a law that says at least 50% of the music on french radio must be national artists. so there are many french stars that are only wellknown within france and nobody knows them outside of france,but does that mean they aren't successful or important? or take russia,i lately heard of a russian superstars who sold more than 100 million records,very famous in russia,but i never heard his name before,can't even remember it now,but can you say he's not sucessful cause he only sold 100 million cds in russia and not in the usa and uk?

-i don't know the clubs of the UK-tour but here in germany marya played in several clubs/halls where also vanilla ninja played :-)

Anji

10-01-2010, 19:42

frankie when i said about the clubs here i didnt mean concert where you buy a ticket to see that artist. The clubs over here that Marya did recently were clubs where 'wandering joe' walks into each week to see who's on. They are die hard fans of rock, not the teens that we saw in germany.

frankie

10-01-2010, 20:10

Deb

10-01-2010, 20:21

No that's not what ANji meant frankie :-) She meant they are rock clubs. Not venue halls like Lafee played where people buy tickets ages before blah blah... they're local rock clubs where usually locoal people go regularly and check out bands while having a pint and a chat with friends :-p Usually these people are rock muso's who know what they're talking about rather than teeny boppers who just fall in love with the artist :-D

bloodflowerz

10-01-2010, 20:25

:-) Well put, Deb and Anji!

frankie

10-01-2010, 20:32

Usually these people are rock muso's who know what they're talking about rather than teeny boppers who just fall in love with the artist :-D

oops, i fall in love with marya roxx,is that bad now?

oh no,i'm a rock musician too so i know what i'm talking about :-D

lithuanian-fan-man

10-01-2010, 20:37

and I felt in love with Katrin after I have met her :-D
And yes, VN is a rockband :-)
and if we're talking about tastes then I'm rock/ alternative music / industrial rock/ punk fan :-D

bloodflowerz

10-01-2010, 20:39

Perpetual teenies? Lol?

frankie

10-01-2010, 20:43

perpetual poster ;-)

bloodflowerz

10-01-2010, 20:45

:rofl:

Anji

10-01-2010, 20:45

that's exactly what i meant Deb.

Frankie, it doesnt matter if you're a musician or not. Generally speaking these regular rock club goers are harder to break than teenage fans. It's not so much that they know what they're talking about, it's more that they have seen band after band after band so therefore don't tolerate average bands very lightly.

In my very humble view, VN would not hold up in these clubs, their image and sound is wrong for the harder end of the genre. i'm not saying you're wrong in liking them, i'm just saying they couldn't match the audience that Marya is attracting now with her live shows.

lithuanian-fan-man

10-01-2010, 20:53

Perpetual teenies? Lol?

Yeah. And you are in love with MR so you're perpetual teen too like me or frankie :-D We all are because we're in love with some artists xD
BTW, VN started career in clubs which helped to become famous in Estonia and then in Middle Europe. It's the first group from Baltic countries which break through. Now Kerli and some other estonian artists have easier way to start being famous across the europe and break through :-) In my humble opinion VN would suceed in such clubs as Anji said because how they sound live is a lot different from the sound of CD's recording. Some songs performed live are even close to hard rock sound. They were in baltic beach party at the rock stage and were remarkable. I mean they give a lot of energy and communicates with public.

bloodflowerz

10-01-2010, 21:00

"Stuck in our youth"...sound about right???

Deb

10-01-2010, 21:02

oops, i fall in love with marya roxx,is that bad now?

oh no,i'm a rock musician too so i know what i'm talking about :-D

Low :-p

and I felt in love with Katrin after I have met her :-D
And yes, VN is a rockband :-)
and if we're talking about tastes then I'm rock/ alternative music / industrial rock/ punk fan :-D

NOTHING either of you say will EVER convince me VN are a rock band. Sorry but I've seen how hard Marya has it with winning real rock / metal audiences over and even now the likes of HRH3 die hards still give her a hard time. I'm telling you they would simply crucify VN if they played there lol.

Deb

10-01-2010, 21:05

Yeah. And you are in love with MR so you're perpetual teen too like me or frankie :-D We all are because we're in love with some artists xD

actually not all lol. I can honestly say I am not in love with any artist, not in anyway shape or form :-D

BTW, VN their career started in clubs and there a lot of different ones :-) In my humble opinion VN would suceed in such clubs as Anji said because how they sound live is a lot different from those which are on CD's. Some songs performed live are even close to hard rock sound. They were in baltic beach party at the rock stage and were remarkable. I mean they give a lot of energy and communicates with public.

I se you edited your post after I replied :-p Nope I don't agree.. like i said in my last post they would be crucified here at many clubs ..

bloodflowerz

10-01-2010, 21:07

Ditto. Having seen some of these fans in the UK recently, I'd have to agree with Deb. Even if VN were to play a concert wearing nothing at all, they'd still chase them off the stage.

frankie

10-01-2010, 21:38

well i can conform that live vanilla ninja are harder than on cd,i experienced that quite a few times.

lithuanian-fan-man

11-01-2010, 06:29

lithuanian-fan-man

11-01-2010, 06:30

Ditto. Having seen some of these fans in the UK recently, I'd have to agree with Deb. Even if VN were to play a concert wearing nothing at all, they'd still chase them off the stage.

I love this idea :-D :-D :-D I think they will be chased on the stage xD

bloodflowerz

11-01-2010, 08:30

Wouldn't be so sure about that...

Deb

11-01-2010, 09:03

ok. anyway frankie and me are right xD Talking about love for an artist and that only fans of teen artists fell in love with an artist. But we're in love with an artist (not in straight way) because we visit this forum and show this love and we're in love with in artist in one way or another (music, character, band etc.) :-)

There's no right or wrong Dan, It's about opinions... You have yours and we have ours, simple :-p

And you are wrong about VN here lol.... I know many german fans of many bands (and from other European countires not from UK) and it's a known fact they are more fanatical for want of a better word... where as here in UK and same for USA I think, they're more muso's.. There isn no way on gods earth VN could go on the stage at Hammerfest, HRH3 and not get abuse for it after.. That's nothing against VN apart from they are not Rock / metal and they are a female girl band.. Yes it's wrong on many levels I know but that's just how it is here. Trust me Marya had a hard enough time with many of these people.

frankie

11-01-2010, 09:55

sometimes i have the feeling like this discussion is about if vanilla ninja is rather a rockband or rather a popband but in the end it's the music it counts and that it's great-and it is great in my opinion.

so i don't care if they play in british rockclubs,german arenas,metal festivals or on the moon. for my sake they can play in my garden and even if nobody else would come,that's even better for me :-D

for me it was never important where anybody played (except that it's close to me so that i can go there and that the acoustic of the venue is good)

more than 90% of what i hear is rockmusic (and i consider vanilla ninja as a rockband) but even if others say it's pop-rock or whatever,there are other kinds of music that i sometimes listen to and if there's a fantastic popband like ABBA i have no problems with that and i also listen to classic music i like (beethoven,bach,etc.)

and talking about the sound of a venue,if you have ever been at a philharmony and listen to a classic orchestra live you will find out that no rock pub or club will ever come close to the quality of the sound there :-D

lithuanian-fan-man

11-01-2010, 15:00

"ok. anyway frankie and me are right" First of all I was not serious there that's why I put smile "xD" :-D I understand that all of us are different and we have different opinions ;-) I argue a lot but I respect all people :-)
so i don't care if they play in british rockclubs,german arenas,metal festivals or on the moon. for my sake they can play in my garden and even if nobody else would come,that's even better for me
Great ideas :-D
And yeah, for female bands/artists it's harder to breakt through because there are so many male bands and I can hardly find woman bands. I know only Nightwish metal band who has female leading vocals :-)
I have been once in opera in our capital. I have seen opera phantom. accustic and sound is really amazingand just blast off your head :-)
YouTube - Vanilla Ninja - Cool Vibes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJgURB0TQw)
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
and let's remember the VN song which was sang in the eurovision and probably in biggest stage so far :-)
YouTube - Switzerland @ ESC 2005 Final (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-8hYgh-T1w)

Deb

11-01-2010, 15:58

Deb

11-01-2010, 16:01

YouTube - Vanilla Ninja - Cool Vibes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJgURB0TQw)

OK so this really didn't help your case either lololol. This is even younger than teens :devillaugh:

lithuanian-fan-man

11-01-2010, 16:03

This really isn't a competition to see if you can make everyone think the same as you and make everyone love VN as you do lol..

I could come back at every comment you've tried to make Dan, but I may as well just post this :wallbash_red: :-p

If that Eurovision video was supposed to sway me lol, it had the exact opposite :devillaugh: there is NOTHING rock about that and eurovision is the biggest joke in the UK. Even bigger than X Factor :-D Eurovision here is watched by old grannies and a few other random people. So being in Eurovision isn't gonna help your cause lol.

BTW I don't class Bon Jovi as Rock anymore either :-D They sold their souls a long time ago :devillaugh:
gosh, i haven't showed this to you and I know you won't like them :-D You misunderstood me :-D Here i met some VN fans who even aren't at any VN forums so I like posting here :) I have showed this to fans and maybe to those who haven't seen them. I know eurovision sucks but i still watch it every year xD They have reached 8 place and 1 st was taken by Greece and Helene Paparicau or smth like that. at least they came with good pop rock song. All other songs were pretty bad and besides VN i liked only about 2 more songs which weren't so popsy. You can't like they're style but it's a GOOD group :-)
P.S. I have seen 5 year old kid who sang metallica song so that doesn't change anything :D
There are many other topics about other musicians and no one discuss as much as here :-D I haven't heard your opinion about such star as Lady Gaga xD

frankie

11-01-2010, 16:18

BTW I don't class Bon Jovi as Rock anymore either :-D They sold their souls a long time ago :devillaugh:

well i haven't heard the last album but in general i think you still can call it rock but it's no more hardrock like in the beginning,it's more mainstream.

and i agree that bon jovi sold their souls,after keep the faith it went down with them,i already saw them live in 1984 when probably 90% of the BJ fans of today didn't even know them. there they were really rocking and had fun playing live,today i have the feeling it's just about money and jon's ego. also when watching interviews with jon i sometimes have the feeling like he's in trance or under medication/drugs.

i really liked bon jovi in the 80's and bought his records and saw several liveshows (and even met jon in person and that alone,just we two without anybody else,hehe) but today i don't even check out what he's doing,bon jovi in the 80's and today are two different pairs of shoes.

Deb

11-01-2010, 16:25

There are many other topics about other musicians and no one discuss as much as here :-D I haven't heard your opinion about such star as Lady Gaga xD

That's because so far you aren't forcing your opinion of Lady Gaga down my throat :-p

And btw there are many other threads about Marya that even marya posts in and I don't see you in them :-D

but all said and done I still love ya Dan, even if you are a pain in the butt at times :devillaugh:

Deb

11-01-2010, 16:28

today i have the feeling it's just about money and jon's ego. also when watching interviews with jon i sometimes have the feeling like he's in trance or under medication/drugs.

i really liked bon jovi in the 80's and bought his records and saw several liveshows (and even met jon in person and that alone,just we two without anybody else,hehe) but today i don't even check out what he's doing,bon jovi in the 80's and today are two different pairs of shoes.

Most of it's about Jons ego, Richie has changed a lot as well...

Meeting Jon for me was a turning point in itself lol. he is one person to the cameras and someone else the sec they go off, I've witnessed t many times.. JBJ is fake imo... and this comes from someone who has just about everything possbile to have of theirs lol.. Most of which i'm going to get sell as soon as I find the time to work out how to :-) or as soon as my dear friend M, hleps me work out ebay :hehe:

lithuanian-fan-man

11-01-2010, 16:53

That's because so far you aren't forcing your opinion of Lady Gaga down my throat :-p

And btw there are many other threads about Marya that even marya posts in and I don't see you in them :-D

but all said and done I still love ya Dan, even if you are a pain in the butt at times :devillaugh:
I read almost everything but don't reply everywhere.
Also thanks for compliment. I agree :-D
Yeah. I have noticed that Bon Jovi songs became worse. I have heard "You weren't born to follow" in VH1 and didn't liked at all. The last hit of him which I liked is "It's my lifeeeeeeeeeee it's no or never.. I'm gonna live 4ever!!" :devillaugh:

frankie

11-01-2010, 17:31

The last hit of him which I liked is "It's my lifeeeeeeeeeee it's no or never.. I'm gonna live 4ever!!" :devillaugh:

that's also the last BJ-song i liked

Ruba Galactika

11-01-2010, 19:52

I think Bon Jovi has some very good songs.

but the best song ever is "It's my life" :-)

I've also always liked "save the world" ..... althought it always reminds me of a very heavy real story.....:-(

Deb

11-01-2010, 19:59

"It's my lifeeeeeeeeeee it's no or never.. I'm gonna live 4ever!!" :devillaugh:

Ok I so can't leave this lololol... sorry I tried but I'm sooooo ananl at times...

English lesson for today :-D

It's now or never.. I ain't gonna live forever :-p

Sorry Bon Jovi fan even without wanting to be anymore lol

bloodflowerz

11-01-2010, 20:49

Hey, we're going way off topic here, but it's interesting. How can you seriously claim that you only know Nightwish for having a female singer, lithuanian-fan-man??? :shock::shock::shock: I mean, there are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just google "female fronted metal" and be impressed!!! Women have really come a long long way from the days where "Girlschool" and "Joan Jett" had to pave the way and stand up for themselves. There are literally hundreds of female fronted bands. So much so that even radio moderators are saying that females are taking over!!! Incidentally, my favourite band of all time, the Bloodflowerz, also had a female singer. :-)

Anji

11-01-2010, 21:20

well first off i felt like arguing a couple of points that were ridiculously made, but i dont see the point anymore as peoples perceptions are being clouded by whether they like the music or not, so i'm interested in keeping on this road. I don't like their music, that's just me, i don't suppose you like all of the many artists i like either, that's fine, it's human nature. But that's not what the discussion was in the first place. I'm glad there was at least one non brit (who can speak from experience) and be non-biased.
Anyway i think that part has run it's course.

You're right Blood, there are loads of female fronted bands out there in rock/metal but there are still few in the top bracket, it's still a difficult genre for females to get heard and respected.

bloodflowerz

11-01-2010, 21:25

Yes, they've hard a hard and difficult battle. But I think finally they're breaking through into the top-bracket. For instance Lacuna Coil. They're well and truly top bracket - at least in Italy and the USA. There's many others as well, such as Kittie or the Donnas, who are near top-bracket and have sold around a million cd's and have been around for a long time (always a good sign).

lithuanian-fan-man

12-01-2010, 10:08

Maybe there are many metal/hard rock female singers but not among more popular bands but I agree that there is more and more and I'm really happy :-D bloodflowerz: i only remembered nightwish at the time when i was speaking ;-)
I know now another new band "The Gossip" which has female fronted member and that singer is REALLY not a standart but rocks anyway and I'm happy that she break through even to MTV and other music channels :-). I was tired to see only pop singers in music channels everytime i turn on them (especially in TOPs).
I think this whole board is one big off-topic and i like it :-D
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So we might see Lenna Kuurmaa in eurovision but I really don't think she will win. It's not pop, not in english and not a eurovision type of song which could win xD
Last year ESTONIA WAS WORTH WINNING with Urban Symphony because it was the best song (to me).

Deb

12-01-2010, 10:16

LOL Dan you make me smile :-)

BTW the whole board isn't all off topic :-p There are many many relevant and important Marya Roxx threads here. You just have to look further than off topic and other music :devillaugh:

bloodflowerz

12-01-2010, 23:06

frankie

13-01-2010, 08:39

good that you mention doro too,she rocks and is the queen of metal,just had her 25th anniversary 1 year ago :devildance:

lithuanian-fan-man

13-01-2010, 11:13

never heard this doro only dido :-D

lithuanian-fan-man

13-01-2010, 11:15

Re female singers in metal bands and there being not many in more popular bands I beg to differ. Of course, if you want to take a band like AC/DC or Metallica as the definiton of popular, then you're right. But there are indeed many bands with a female singer or even where the entire band is female, that are popular. For German fans for instance Doro is very very popular and is onto her 19th album (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and already has 3 dvd's out. I could list other bands with similar success. So on this point I beg to differ.

you say you have different opinion but you agree with my words xD
Maybe there are many metal/hard rock female singers but not among popular bands
And I wanted to take a band like AC/DC or Metallica or Alice In Chains or Led Zeppelin or Rolling Stones as an example :-D And we have about 10 time less female or female fronted rock/metal bands :-) Many doesn't mean as much as male bands :-)

bloodflowerz

13-01-2010, 21:33

Sorry, lithuanian-fan-man, but I do not agree with your words either. You cannot make a statement, change the meaning subsequently and then state, that I agree with you! As for your statement that there are about 10 times less female fronted rock/metal bands, that is just not true. The fact that you haven't even heard of a metal band of the international renown of Doro (who has 19 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) cd's to her name and add that you have however heard of Dido :shock:), shows the state of your knowledge in this department. Sorry, but you really seem to be out of your depth here.

Mariann

11-02-2010, 08:54

Disko4000 - Ei Usu

YouTube - Disko 4000 - Ei Usu [EESTI LAUL 2010] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y46gRGiD-xU)

Lenna - Rapunzel

YouTube - Lenna "Rapunzel" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCDMryLqmq8)

frankie

11-02-2010, 14:06

thanx for putting these up mariann.
but i must admit they are far away from anything vanilla ninja ever did and i don't like these songs at all :shock:

Rebi

11-02-2010, 14:10

Yes your right Frankie! I dont like this songs :shock:

Mariann

11-02-2010, 18:00

As well as a little criticism of these songs, you love me just a bit Lenna "Rapunzel" song. :hmm:

KOSTAS

11-02-2010, 18:53

the songs suck!!!
who are they? we are the vanilla ninja i knew?
hope piret dont take lennas steps!

and the most important! thanks god Marya left them!
they suck with these songs!

frankie

11-02-2010, 18:59

well maybe i should make clear these are solo projects,they have nothing to do with vanilly ninja except that in each project there's one vanilla ninja member involved

KOSTAS

11-02-2010, 19:03

well maybe i should make clear these are solo projects,they have nothing to do with vanilly ninja except that in each project there's one vanilla ninja member involved

u have right telling this but why they are doing things like that>?:-(

frankie

11-02-2010, 19:09

just to promote themselves and earn money

many people also have to take job possibilities they don't like, just for financial reasons, and sometimes these people are also artists :shock:

KOSTAS

11-02-2010, 19:11

yeah u have right in this too!
hope that they will relise sm new soon!
dont they have a record label?

frankie

11-02-2010, 19:17

i don't know if they have a record label right now,would rather think no

KOSTAS

11-02-2010, 19:19

its a pity!

Jas

11-02-2010, 20:44

i don't know if they have a record label right now,would rather think no

arent they signed dot that latino american label "Broken Records" or sth? xD

frankie

11-02-2010, 20:56

arent they signed dot that latino american label "Broken Records" or sth? xD

i don't know jas,it's possible but i'm not sure,haven't heard of it before

daario

12-02-2010, 11:59

No matter how much I love VN, I just have to say that these two songs are......The ultimate lamness, like, it can't get any worse...I cannot say I am disappointed, I mean, it's not VN, these are solo projects, but...C'mon.....It's horrible xD

KOSTAS

12-02-2010, 12:38

frankie

12-02-2010, 12:42

right daario

Prokopis

13-02-2010, 10:27

i can't stand lenna's two latest songs they are the worst songs ever if she want to make a more pop style she could make songs like beyonce or sth,no failed attempts which result a childish sound (: Vanilla ninja should reunite and do what they do best to make great music!

Mariann

13-03-2010, 09:08

Lenna - Rapunzel (live 12.03. 2010 Eesti laul)

YouTube - Lenna - Rapunzel (LIVE Eesti Laul 2010) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3LLR0r5jxQ)

frankie

13-03-2010, 09:20

thanx for putting this on here mariann!!!

it's far away from VN music and i don't really like it on the other hand i have heard worse songs from eesti laul before. at least some parts sounded a little bit rocky even though it's straight pop

KOSTAS

13-03-2010, 12:02

she is nice!
but she suxx. the song = sucks

Anastasia

13-03-2010, 12:32

Sorry but I dont like this Song !

Rebi

13-03-2010, 12:38

Yes agree with you Ani :-( Dont like it too

Deb

21-03-2010, 22:07

Found this on facebook frankie and seeing as you aren't on the dreaded fb thought i'd better post it here :-p

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcnw98_lenna-kuurmaa-artur-talvik-i-got-yo_music?start=1

frankie

22-03-2010, 08:15

thanx deb !!!

interesting to see and eventhough i like the original song their version isn't that good, but looks like lenna needs to make some money ;-)

Anastasia

12-04-2010, 16:51

TWO Videos Who I really like but they are very old :devillaugh::

YouTube - Estonia 2003 -Vanilla Ninja - Club Kung Fu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pKmkx9rvzo)

:shock: at 2.04 The Jump :shock::shock: GREAT :devillaugh:

YouTube - Vanilla Ninja - Ballroom Blitz (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xFGsGrhPDU)
and here I love the Style !!!!

frankie

12-04-2010, 16:59

yeah marya's jump is great and artistic,she should do it at her future liveshows too :michael-jackson:

Rebi

12-04-2010, 21:07

Yeahh very cool Jump and in the second Video the clothes are great :devillaugh: Love it xDxDxD

Prokopis

13-04-2010, 13:37

haha i always knew that marya was going to be a powerful singer !! this jump truly reveals it! (:

KOSTAS

14-04-2010, 00:35

indeed Prox!
Marya is really good and she is an agreesive woman on stage! thats cool!

Prokopis

14-04-2010, 17:03

:-):-):-):-)

Anji

14-04-2010, 23:29

:shock: omg they took the character out of ballroom blitz :-( i love the original,they took a punk song and over popped it imo :hmm:

YouTube - The Sweet - The Ballroom Blitz 1973 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzpWJx3I2DY)

frankie

15-04-2010, 09:47

the original version from sweet is much better,check that out too :-D

Prokopis

15-04-2010, 12:49

i know it thanks for the video anji!

KOSTAS

16-04-2010, 09:25

ok i will! :D seems to be good!

frankie

26-04-2010, 19:20

just to let you know, here's something interesting that probably nobody here knows and which shows the quality of vanilla ninja :

in 2005 when vanilla ninja toured germany they had an additional guitarist on stage when they played live and that was andreas bayless from the band "söhne mannheims"

for all the people who don't know the "söhne mannheims" they are considered as one of germany's best bands and their frontman xavier nadoo is considered german's best musician by many professionals. in 2004 söhne mannheim had a #1 album in the german charts and in 2005 a #1 livealbum,next to that they got several awards in 2005 for best german rock/pop band (e.g. also an echo award which is the most prestigeful award in germany)

so you see vanilla ninja had one of the best and most famous german guitarplayers with them on tour and andreas wouldn't have done that job if vanilla ninja would be a cheap and bad teenieband. actually i talked a couple of times with andreas, he also told me that he thinks vanilla ninja is a great and underrated band.

KOSTAS

28-04-2010, 13:14

thanks for the info frankie!
thats cool!

Anji

29-04-2010, 09:54

so you see vanilla ninja had one of the best and most famous german guitarplayers with them on tour and andreas wouldn't have done that job if vanilla ninja would be a cheap and bad teenieband. actually i talked a couple of times with andreas, he also told me that he thinks vanilla ninja is a great and underrated band.

I'm not sure who you're referring to as having said that but alot of top world class artists play with not very good bands from time to time, either through bad choice, bad taste, bad business sense etc etc, i'm not saying that is the case here, i'm just saying you can't say just because a top artist has worked with them that it automatically means they are good, thats all.

I don't think their stuff is bad, it just doesnt stand out to me as anything special, just my personal opinion, i'm willing to bet that there are alot of bands i like that you might think the same, i would never suggest that they are a 'cheap and bad teenieband', i would never class a band as cheap, that's derogative to their fans, the only opinion i feel passionate about is that imo they 'killed' ballroom blitz, covers are supposed to add something to the original song, instead they took alot of it's character and feeling away. They should really only do original stuff if they aren't good at modernising covers.

Each to their own as we say ;-)

frankie

29-04-2010, 10:58

i referred to the general public not to anybody in person cause many people think vanilla ninja is a teenieband with no skills.

you're right anji that some worldclass players tour with untalented bands/artists but in this case i wanted to point to andreas statement that he gave me in person,he told me he thinks VN are a great band,if i wouldn't have talked to him then i could think he's just doing it for the money and personally doesn't like VN either but like he told me among 4 eyes he really enjoyed touring with them and love them and i also saw him live 4 times with VN and he really had fun playing with them.

as for the ballroom blitz version of VN,i also don't like it,it's almost a shame but i also wanna add i don't like coverversions in general,personally i think that about 99% of all covers are worse than the original and i personally never wanted to cover any songs,the only time i did it was a kiss-song with one of my bands just for fun cause the rest of the bandmembers wanted to play the song as we were all kissfans. the reason i agreed was i wanted to see if we can get closer to the original than other bands cause i heard so many kiss-covers and they all suck. and eventhough we were far away from the original i must admit i never heard another band sounding closer to kiss than us which maybe was the case cause our guitarist had the original paul stanley modelguitar which really made the same sound ;-)

Anji

30-04-2010, 22:03

fair enough but i have learned you can't always take what artists say as truth but that's another story and i am in no way suggesting this guy is to be doubted, it's just all too often the case.

As far as the teenieband thing, i don't understand why some VN fans don't like them being thought of like that, in the uk it is defined by the style of their music and the way they look, this would certainly make them a teenie band, it's not meant in a bad way, and doesnt mean they aren't serious artists, but in the uk they would not be considered a rock band at all. I might be missing something but i dont understand the need to distance them from the teenie tag

I don't mind cover versions if they are done sensatively and had something original added to it, i have a few covers that are actually better than the original. Unfortunately they didnt seem to understand the point of ballroom blitz and took away the most important factors to that song, just my opinion, i can see how the younger generation who didnt grow up with the original playing like it though, it's very mainstream pop like.

KOSTAS

30-04-2010, 22:38

well i would like to tell you my opinion about VN!
i dont think that they are a rock band at all!
i believe that they are pop with sm rock elements!
i dont think they will ever be succeful in Uk!
Uk as i can see like more heavy stuff! and VN isnt like that! well from the other hand they arent a tennie band and i really do love them! they have good stuff.

Anji

01-05-2010, 07:27

just a question so i can understand a bit more....do you guys define teenie band by the age of the band?

frankie

01-05-2010, 08:17

well to me a teenieband is build up by a (record) company specially for the aim to attract teenies. usually they don't play instruments and just sing and dance and care more about their looks and image than to the music.

does it has to do with age? i think a little bit which means they are young but not necessrily teenies themselves (at least i don't know any teenieband where the members are 40 or 50 years old,hehe)

vanilla ninja i think was created to attract teenies (maybe marya could let us know her point of view here) and therefore i think you can consider them a teenieband. and in the beginning with marya where they just sang and danced (the first record that just came out in estonia) i would even agree they were one but later when they played instruments on their own (since traces of sadness) there music got harder and it's more rock than pop and they also weren't the typical girlie-girls who cared more about make up and fashion so for me they aren't a teenieband anymore at least since that time.

Anastasia

01-05-2010, 10:14

just a question so i can understand a bit more....do you guys define teenie band by the age of the band?

For me a teenie band is :
-Young People
-They want that young people hear the Music from them
-They make Music like PoP-Rock but that can be different

Vanilla Ninja is for me a Tennie Band. I think thes want that younger People (12-20 or so) hear the Music. They have a Cool Style and make Cool Music.
Of course it gives older people that like Vanilla Ninja too but I think the most are younger. I think Vanilla Ninja is a Great Band and I like their Music alot.

KOSTAS

01-05-2010, 22:51

they are a good group.i dont like all their songs though!
for example the 1st record is so pop,girly and bla bla bla! Polluter is my fav!~
the other records arent so pop and girly!and thats good!
i believe that they are a good band and they became more heavier and thats the thing i like in Vn!

Anji

02-05-2010, 22:06

ah ok, that makes things alot clearer for me and i think i can understand why we have disagreed in the past, in the uk a teenie band is usually defined purely by their music, yea sure, if they are like 40 and over then obviously no but let's be honest it's unlikely to see such old people doing that kind of music lol. Instruments aren't considered a factor, and being considered a teen band isn't considered a bad it's just a genre, and even their harder stuff still fits within that category.

Rebi

14-05-2010, 20:30

Ive ound this Interview! I find it funny xDxD
YouTube - Vanilla Ninja - Interview at Proskate, Finland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW4m5dgLQ6U)

Anastasia

14-05-2010, 22:08

Great

I love the Engish from them !!
Here I Understand everything thats Great xD :devildance: :devillaugh:

frankie

15-05-2010, 07:50

yes i also understood evetything,i think everybody who speaks english should speak like them :hehehe:

also love their interviews,not just this,all i've ever seen so far,it's so cute when they talk

Prokopis

16-05-2010, 19:03

:-p:-p:-p:-p:-pahhahaahah lol frankie! next weekend i have speaking exams for my fce.and if i speak english like vn i think i will not pass heheheh

Anji

16-05-2010, 21:39

:blah_1::tongueout:lol Prox, well if you don't do well just tell them Anji understands you so that's all that matters :blah_1::tongueout:

frankie

17-05-2010, 07:41

:blah_1::tongueout:lol Prox, well if you don't do well just tell them Anji understands you so that's all that matters :blah_1::tongueout:

if i only would have known that's how easy you can past a test :rofl:

Prokopis

18-05-2010, 17:52

:-p:-p:-paaaa :-D:-D you΄re bad:-D:-D:-D of course i was joking i think lenna΄s english are perfect!:-D:-D

ok anji i΄ll tell them because they won΄t understand me that΄s for sure!:-D:-D:-p

KOSTAS

24-05-2010, 20:52

such a funny interview!!
well hope they will release smt soon!
piret is gorgeous!

Anji

29-05-2010, 23:55

if i only would have known that's how easy you can past a test :rofl:

:haha: well not just any old test lol

Actually maybe not even an english test :devillaugh: some english people don't understand me :hehe:

ok anji i΄ll tell them because they won΄t understand me that΄s for sure!:-D:-D:-p

lolol I think your english is really good, but it shows when you havent been here for a while, but when you post alot here you're english is really good, see! one more reason to keep coming here :devillaugh:

Prokopis

30-05-2010, 19:37

Thanks anji !!!(: i will keep coming here more i promise!!

Anji

30-05-2010, 21:59

Hope so, i really miss you and kostas when you guys aren't here :hug:

KOSTAS

30-05-2010, 23:48

i miss the forum too when i cant log in! :(

miss you all too! cant wait to see you all! :D

frankie

01-06-2010, 23:10

here kostas,a new photo of our favorite piret,here she wears a KISS-shirt:

http://forum.maryaroxx.com/picture.php?albumid=113&pictureid=2918

KOSTAS

01-06-2010, 23:13

wow.. i like this t-shirt!
actually i love wearing t-shirts with band logos..
and Piret is so beautiful..is she single? if not who is the lucky guy?

frankie

01-06-2010, 23:23

i think her boyfriend is a musician of another band,it's even the drummer i think but this information is already years old so i have no update on her lovelife right now

KOSTAS

01-06-2010, 23:28

pity!
i would like to know who is the one who is with her..

frankie

01-06-2010, 23:35

wish i could tell you it's me :rofl::rofl::rofl:

KOSTAS

01-06-2010, 23:42

hehehe! she isnt !!! xaxaxaxaxaxa..

ok i will leave her to you! i will take Alyosha ;)

frankie

01-06-2010, 23:48

hehehe! she isnt !!! xaxaxaxaxaxa..

ok i will leave her to you! i will take Alyosha ;)

good decision my friend :devildance:

KOSTAS

01-06-2010, 23:51

hehe! the time here is 1:50 and i am in front of the computer and i am laughing with your posts..
oh god... :D

frankie

01-06-2010, 23:55

here it's 0.55 and i just opened a box with chocolate covered hazelnuts,got hungry :-D

KOSTAS

01-06-2010, 23:58

xmmm i would love to have one of them but i am really far away :(

i change my mind! i will close the laptop and i will read a little..
monday i have exams in uni! i have only 11 lessons to give and then i graduate! i dont know if i will graduate this month..probably it will take me a little more..

frankie

02-06-2010, 00:00

good luck,i will also go to sleep now,i will have sweet dreams with sweet nuts,hahaha

KOSTAS

02-06-2010, 00:02

hope Piret come to see you in your dreams!
Hey!! listen: xaxaxaxaxa
you will close your eyes and then Piret will come and feed you with the sweet nuts!
huh? xaxaxaxaxaxa

frankie

02-06-2010, 00:05

yes that sounds like a good dream :drool:

KOSTAS

02-06-2010, 00:06

xexe! hope it would happen!

frankie

02-06-2010, 00:10

good nite now my friend and vanilla sweet dreams :-D

KOSTAS

02-06-2010, 00:12

:d :d

Prokopis

03-06-2010, 12:24

:haha::haha:hahaha lol guys!!!!!!!!!!:-p

Monstro

06-06-2010, 03:42

Who posted this?

YouTube - Estonia 2003 -Vanilla Ninja - Club Kung Fu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pKmkx9rvzo&playnext_from=TL&videos=YfxGlMaGfzI)

Whoever it was I owe you, hilarious, whenever I'm pissed off I play it, always makes me smile lol

Prokopis

06-06-2010, 08:22

haha yes its making everyone΄s day i think!

frankie

06-06-2010, 10:51

i love this video,3 things stick in my brain:
1: marya loos so happy,she really must have enjoyed it
2: marya's wheelie radschlag rocks
3: what are these 2 guys on the right and the left for???

Anastasia

06-06-2010, 21:46

I Love the Song and The Video is Great

Maryagirl

08-06-2010, 21:15

Oh yes. I have the single at home, because I was Marya Fan since that ;-)
Love the vid and the song. I leraned how to dance it, but I can't do Maryas great exercises. She's the best! =)

frankie

08-06-2010, 21:27

here's the triinu lisa :rofl:

http://forum.maryaroxx.com/picture.php?albumid=113&pictureid=2940

Rebi

09-06-2010, 08:55

:rofl:

KOSTAS

09-06-2010, 21:29

oh god frankie! this is so funny!!

Prokopis

10-06-2010, 11:24

hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Anji

12-06-2010, 07:53

lol had to look at that vid 3 times before i saw you meant by wheelie Frankie lol

Cartwheel??

ASP-Maarja-Samsas Traum-F

15-07-2010, 22:16

Vanilla Ninja are very, very nice!!!
I love this (five: With Maarja and Triinu) Girls!!!!!!!!!!!

Jonathan10

19-07-2010, 15:30

here's the triinu lisa :rofl:

http://forum.maryaroxx.com/picture.php?albumid=113&pictureid=2940

Hey, she looks very nice! :applause:

Mariann

20-08-2010, 19:02

Lenna solo album! Did you know that already?

frankie

20-08-2010, 19:47

oh is it already out? yes i heard of it but don't know when it comes out,does anybody has more details?

mellukas

20-08-2010, 20:06

Lennas plaat is out. Its kinda good. :)

Mariann

20-08-2010, 21:01

oh is it already out? yes i heard of it but don't know when it comes out,does anybody has more details?

CD album was released in the 2010th at the end of May. Albums have not yet been issued for four radio singles: "Musta pori näkku" (December 2009), "Rapunzel" (February 2010),"Mida sa teed" (may 2010) ning "Kogu tõde jüritööst" (july 2010).

The songs on CD: "Mida sa teed", "Musta pori näkku", "Kogu tõde Jüriööst", "Rapunzel", "Tigedad liblikad", "Kotkasilm", "Ebaõnn naeratab", "Maailm ei keerle", "Torm" ja "Aed".

Estonia, it is a wave plate can be purchased http://www.lasering.ee/index.php?make=item_show&toote_id=28305

I think that is a very good album! I listen to, even if it is several days. :-)

Lenna new music video "Kogu tõde Jüriööst"

YouTube - Lenna - Kogu TÃµde JÃ¼riÃ¶Ã¶st ( 2010 ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWIjEFSKAqk)